vietulilto, virtaluoto, ok, so long terms and learning ok, so that would mean we're definitely including the poop , but still no tool, I mean, we're def acting with technology, but again it seems like the acting with technology is preserving the past, so if we think about this at the level of why rather than what or how, then the tool is lamp, which makes sense , but excluded from view is brian's backdoor dealings with his friends at loews or whatever, and similar ly excluded is...